Sometimes things do not go as planned. Frustrating? Sure. It can also lead to an adventure and discovering something new, something unexpected.

Returning guests, the Crafty Lumberjacks (Dennis Setteducati and Andrew Boza) join me to discuss progress and new insights of their craft and lifestyle brand. These fellas have been creating/hosting craft shows as part of the HGTV Handmade team, and have recently been guests (twice) on ABC’s The Chew.

On the way to meet Dennis and Andrew at their home in Astoria, NY I meet an unexpected voice of wisdom and experience, my Uber driver. This was the start of my adventure as things started to change. And well, I rolled with it.

During my day, the Crafty Lumberjacks share the reality of building their brand—I’m coining it as The Politics of Crafting. We also flip the roles of our interview a little here, and in the end, share advice for anyone working toward their dream.

After this episode, be sure to listen to their first time on the show.